Hi – this is a subject which continues to return in various conversations and with varying understandings. i.e. being ‘Saved’ – thus my humble attempt at making it simple and plain – as you know I seldom use references but all that is below comes from the Scriptures and my guess would be has all been written by others in the same manner – c/ork
“We are only to trust in Jesus and God and what He said will happen to the righteous - SAVED - from the end result.” Please clarify this?
Actually ‘Saved’ is applied to everyone who achieved a mortal body – and don’t commit either Murder (shedding of innocent blood) or deny the Holy Ghost. Only those who’ve been baptized and received the Gift of the Holy Ghost can deny him – so other than members of the Church – only the first – murder applies.
It’s not quite that simple but close – smile. If someone professes a belief – in Jesus Christ – then they’re by definition saved from outer darkness as is anyone who’s never heard of Jesus Christ who’s had a body in mortality been saved. This is the result of the Atonement – it included anyone and everyone born into mortality! Thus to be ‘saved’ is only the beginning of the journey to the Celestial Kingdom – the very beginning!
‘Saved’ means to be able to not go into outer darkness (or originally to remove eternal death as a result in the fall of Adam and Eve) – and thus not join Satan and his followers. None of Satan’s followers are ‘saved’. However, by murdering someone deliberately one forfeits the gift of the Atonement. Being ‘saved’ is literally universal – however, where one will end up is not either universal or guaranteed to be the Celestial Kingdom. There are other Kingdoms – of lesser degrees and within the Celestial Kingdom we know of at least three degrees. The highest kingdom within the Celestial is to be as an eternal family – having been sealed by one having authority while in mortality or the millennium of one thousand years. (Note: there are scriptural references for all of what I’m writing.)
The righteous by the designation – judged by the Son (for this Earth) and the Apostles responsible – would of course then be ‘saved’. However, how the world defines righteousness and how the Savior defines it are two different things. The Gospel says, “If you love me – keep my Commandments” – all of them and there are more than ten – many more. Thus professing to love the Father and the Son – require proof of behavior – action and thoughts not just the ‘lip service’ – of saying you do and then doing what you want. Love requires being obedient to the Will of the Father – which is obedience to the Commandment found in the fullness of the Gospel of his Son – Jesus Christ.
However, for those who’ve never heard of the Father and the Son – which are most of the mortals who’ve ever lived on this earth or will live on this earth – they have not had this opportunity and therefore cannot be held to this standard while in mortality. They however will hear the Gospel during the Millennium and will choose as they would’ve chosen while in mortality to accept or reject the Gospel of Jesus Christ – but if they’ve not committed murder – will still be ‘saved’ into one of the many Kingdoms prepared for the mortals of this world.
Thus one can see more is required of those who know more than those who do not. Those who can read and write – reason and have had access to the Bible and all of the other Scriptures and have accepted or denied – will be accountable for their decisions as to where they’ll end up in eternal worlds. One must discern what they are feeling when they feel the Spirit of the Lord – to discern truth or deceit – and how they choose to adjust their lives – physically and mentally. The Spirit of the Lord is available to all men and women born in mortality – the Gift of the Holy Ghost has to be conferred by one having authority from the Father – for in only this way can the Holy Ghost be given to an individual. Therefore while all come into this world with the light or Spirit of the Lord – they can choose to allow the light to grow or to diminish. However, only those who’ve been Baptized by one having Authority into the Church of Jesus Christ – can have the opportunity to receive the Gift of the Holy Ghost – which comes from the Father through the Priesthood.
Article of Faith 4 We believe that the first principles and aordinances of the Gospel are: first, bFaith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, cRepentance; third, dBaptism by eimmersion for the fremission of sins; fourth, Laying on of ghands for the hgift of the Holy Ghost.
When Paul went to Ephesus he found 12 men who had been baptized, but they had not yet received the Holy Ghost. They said to Paul, “We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost” (Acts 19:2).
What happened next is significant. Paul had them baptized again. Then he conferred upon them, by the laying on of hands, the gift of the Holy Ghost (see Acts 19:2–7).
Remember the fourth article of faith: “The first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
Remember what Joseph Smith said: “You might as well baptize a bag of sand as a man, if not done in view of the remission of sins and getting of the Holy Ghost. Baptism by water is but half a baptism, and is good for nothing without the other half—that is, the baptism of the Holy Ghost.”
Thus to receive the Gift of the Holy Ghost one has have Faith – Repent – Baptism (by immersion by one having authority) and then can they receive the Gift of the Holy Ghost. It is then and only then that one can reject this gift – and to do so is to lose all. This is why apostasy can only come within the Church and not from without. Those who’ve received the Gift of the Holy Ghost and then reject it – deny it – make a willing and knowing choice to do so. This in no way means that someone who’s excommunicated has denied the Holy Ghost – as many of those found in such a situation have not done so – but those who actively go out and teach/preach against the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and his Church and his Prophets – have done so and will have to account for having done such.
Being ‘saved’ has become more of a buzz word within the worldly body of Christianity – in that it takes part of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and ignores the rest of the requirements and what is possible after having this beginning. Most think that all is needed is to be ‘saved’ – nothing more – but this is not what the Bible or other Scriptures teach or have taught. So in addressing being ‘saved’ – yes if one is born into mortality – reaches the age of accountability – they’ve been ‘saved’ as long as they don’t commit murder via the Atonement of the Savior Jesus Christ. This isn’t just applicable to those who call themselves Christians – but to all born in mortality. Thus, in the teachings of the Gospel of Jesus Christ very few will be going into outer darkness – or what the world refers to as Hell – while most all will be going to the Kingdoms so spoken by Paul and others.
During this writing I’ve failed to mention those under the age of eight years old or those who are unable to reason due to illness – these are addressed in the Scriptures – and are automatically ‘saved’ into eternal life in the highest degree of glory. http://www.lds.org/liahona/1978/03/salvation-of-little-children?lang=eng&query=little+children This is a reference to a talk given by Bruce R. McConkie in 1978 “Salvation of Little Children” and is recommended to be read by all. I’ll add one quote: “Speaking of the Prophet’s statement that all children are saved in the celestial kingdom, President Joseph Fielding Smith said: “This would mean the children of every race. All the spirits that come to this world come from the presence of God and, therefore, must have been in his kingdom. … Every spirit of man was innocent in the beginning; and all who rebelled were cast out; therefore, all who remained are entitled to the blessings of the gospel.” (Doctrines of Salvation, 2:55.)”
Hopefully this helps answer and clarify the idea of being “saved” – c/ork
“Saved”
cji
3/26/12
Saved from eternal death
given freedom of choice
one more additional breath
the opportunity to rejoice;
Jesus Christ who gave all
provided justice’s full price
obeying His Father’s call
the eternities to splice;
His Atonement required
for us to have our choice
this the reason so sired
the eternities to rejoice!
Copyright © 2012 – cji
“We are only to trust in Jesus and God and what He said will happen to the righteous - SAVED - from the end result.” Please clarify this?
Actually ‘Saved’ is applied to everyone who achieved a mortal body – and don’t commit either Murder (shedding of innocent blood) or deny the Holy Ghost. Only those who’ve been baptized and received the Gift of the Holy Ghost can deny him – so other than members of the Church – only the first – murder applies.
It’s not quite that simple but close – smile. If someone professes a belief – in Jesus Christ – then they’re by definition saved from outer darkness as is anyone who’s never heard of Jesus Christ who’s had a body in mortality been saved. This is the result of the Atonement – it included anyone and everyone born into mortality! Thus to be ‘saved’ is only the beginning of the journey to the Celestial Kingdom – the very beginning!
‘Saved’ means to be able to not go into outer darkness (or originally to remove eternal death as a result in the fall of Adam and Eve) – and thus not join Satan and his followers. None of Satan’s followers are ‘saved’. However, by murdering someone deliberately one forfeits the gift of the Atonement. Being ‘saved’ is literally universal – however, where one will end up is not either universal or guaranteed to be the Celestial Kingdom. There are other Kingdoms – of lesser degrees and within the Celestial Kingdom we know of at least three degrees. The highest kingdom within the Celestial is to be as an eternal family – having been sealed by one having authority while in mortality or the millennium of one thousand years. (Note: there are scriptural references for all of what I’m writing.)
The righteous by the designation – judged by the Son (for this Earth) and the Apostles responsible – would of course then be ‘saved’. However, how the world defines righteousness and how the Savior defines it are two different things. The Gospel says, “If you love me – keep my Commandments” – all of them and there are more than ten – many more. Thus professing to love the Father and the Son – require proof of behavior – action and thoughts not just the ‘lip service’ – of saying you do and then doing what you want. Love requires being obedient to the Will of the Father – which is obedience to the Commandment found in the fullness of the Gospel of his Son – Jesus Christ.
However, for those who’ve never heard of the Father and the Son – which are most of the mortals who’ve ever lived on this earth or will live on this earth – they have not had this opportunity and therefore cannot be held to this standard while in mortality. They however will hear the Gospel during the Millennium and will choose as they would’ve chosen while in mortality to accept or reject the Gospel of Jesus Christ – but if they’ve not committed murder – will still be ‘saved’ into one of the many Kingdoms prepared for the mortals of this world.
Thus one can see more is required of those who know more than those who do not. Those who can read and write – reason and have had access to the Bible and all of the other Scriptures and have accepted or denied – will be accountable for their decisions as to where they’ll end up in eternal worlds. One must discern what they are feeling when they feel the Spirit of the Lord – to discern truth or deceit – and how they choose to adjust their lives – physically and mentally. The Spirit of the Lord is available to all men and women born in mortality – the Gift of the Holy Ghost has to be conferred by one having authority from the Father – for in only this way can the Holy Ghost be given to an individual. Therefore while all come into this world with the light or Spirit of the Lord – they can choose to allow the light to grow or to diminish. However, only those who’ve been Baptized by one having Authority into the Church of Jesus Christ – can have the opportunity to receive the Gift of the Holy Ghost – which comes from the Father through the Priesthood.
Article of Faith 4 We believe that the first principles and aordinances of the Gospel are: first, bFaith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, cRepentance; third, dBaptism by eimmersion for the fremission of sins; fourth, Laying on of ghands for the hgift of the Holy Ghost.
When Paul went to Ephesus he found 12 men who had been baptized, but they had not yet received the Holy Ghost. They said to Paul, “We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost” (Acts 19:2).
What happened next is significant. Paul had them baptized again. Then he conferred upon them, by the laying on of hands, the gift of the Holy Ghost (see Acts 19:2–7).
Remember the fourth article of faith: “The first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
Remember what Joseph Smith said: “You might as well baptize a bag of sand as a man, if not done in view of the remission of sins and getting of the Holy Ghost. Baptism by water is but half a baptism, and is good for nothing without the other half—that is, the baptism of the Holy Ghost.”
Thus to receive the Gift of the Holy Ghost one has have Faith – Repent – Baptism (by immersion by one having authority) and then can they receive the Gift of the Holy Ghost. It is then and only then that one can reject this gift – and to do so is to lose all. This is why apostasy can only come within the Church and not from without. Those who’ve received the Gift of the Holy Ghost and then reject it – deny it – make a willing and knowing choice to do so. This in no way means that someone who’s excommunicated has denied the Holy Ghost – as many of those found in such a situation have not done so – but those who actively go out and teach/preach against the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and his Church and his Prophets – have done so and will have to account for having done such.
Being ‘saved’ has become more of a buzz word within the worldly body of Christianity – in that it takes part of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and ignores the rest of the requirements and what is possible after having this beginning. Most think that all is needed is to be ‘saved’ – nothing more – but this is not what the Bible or other Scriptures teach or have taught. So in addressing being ‘saved’ – yes if one is born into mortality – reaches the age of accountability – they’ve been ‘saved’ as long as they don’t commit murder via the Atonement of the Savior Jesus Christ. This isn’t just applicable to those who call themselves Christians – but to all born in mortality. Thus, in the teachings of the Gospel of Jesus Christ very few will be going into outer darkness – or what the world refers to as Hell – while most all will be going to the Kingdoms so spoken by Paul and others.
During this writing I’ve failed to mention those under the age of eight years old or those who are unable to reason due to illness – these are addressed in the Scriptures – and are automatically ‘saved’ into eternal life in the highest degree of glory. http://www.lds.org/liahona/1978/03/salvation-of-little-children?lang=eng&query=little+children This is a reference to a talk given by Bruce R. McConkie in 1978 “Salvation of Little Children” and is recommended to be read by all. I’ll add one quote: “Speaking of the Prophet’s statement that all children are saved in the celestial kingdom, President Joseph Fielding Smith said: “This would mean the children of every race. All the spirits that come to this world come from the presence of God and, therefore, must have been in his kingdom. … Every spirit of man was innocent in the beginning; and all who rebelled were cast out; therefore, all who remained are entitled to the blessings of the gospel.” (Doctrines of Salvation, 2:55.)”
Hopefully this helps answer and clarify the idea of being “saved” – c/ork
“Saved”
cji
3/26/12
Saved from eternal death
given freedom of choice
one more additional breath
the opportunity to rejoice;
Jesus Christ who gave all
provided justice’s full price
obeying His Father’s call
the eternities to splice;
His Atonement required
for us to have our choice
this the reason so sired
the eternities to rejoice!
Copyright © 2012 – cji
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